Comments on: Forget celebrities with drug problem – this may be more serious… http://blog.geoiq.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/ News and updates from GeoIQ Sat, 05 May 2012 23:20:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: maks smith http://blog.geoiq.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-182 maks smith Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:49:40 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-182 Now days drug is like a bane to the society majority of the young generation are addicted to this slow poison, Drugs draw the society in the door of death. _____________________ maks smith <a href="www.addictionrecovery.net/hawaii" rel="nofollow">Addiction Recovery Hawaii</a> Now days drug is like a bane to the society majority of the young generation are addicted to this slow poison,
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]]> By: Alcohol Jones http://blog.geoiq.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-181 Alcohol Jones Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:46:25 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-181 "But it matters when John and Jane Does of the world are involved in substance abuse. It matters a lot more if they happen to be minors..." Did you have any capability to support this ridiculous assertion? Preventable morbidity -- especially of minors -- is apparently something I should care more strongly about. Ooooh! After avoiding "risks," I can try to escape death with an elaborate and boring mythos concerning an afterlife. Then I can really let fear steal my life. ============================= Perhaps the post appears judgmental. I was trying to point out that substance abuse can land a person in jail. Surely a bad outcome that some may think is unjust. The thrust of the post is more on the lines "Prevention is better than cure." And just wanted to say that I am an agnostic regarding cause and effect of ‘here’ and ‘after'. - rajendra “But it matters when John and Jane Does of the world are involved in substance abuse. It matters a lot more if they happen to be minors…”

Did you have any capability to support this ridiculous assertion? Preventable morbidity — especially of minors — is apparently something I should care more strongly about.

Ooooh! After avoiding “risks,” I can try to escape death with an elaborate and boring mythos concerning an afterlife. Then I can really let fear steal my life.

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Perhaps the post appears judgmental. I was trying to point out that substance abuse can land a person in jail. Surely a bad outcome that some may think is unjust. The thrust of the post is more on the lines “Prevention is better than cure.” And just wanted to say that I am an agnostic regarding cause and effect of ‘here’ and ‘after’. – rajendra

]]> By: Matthew Perry http://blog.geoiq.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-180 Matthew Perry Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:03:29 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/2007/07/26/forget-celebrities-with-drug-problem-this-may-be-more-serious/#comment-180 In short, you are basically saying, if I may paraphrase: "Lots of people use pot. That means America has a serious substance abuse problem." You've got some pretty bad holes in your argument there; 1) Recreational use substance abuse. There's a big difference between, say, having a few beers on the weekend with friends vs chugging a bottle of vodka every morning. No discussion of drug use is valid without acknowledging that drug ABUSE comes when the usage pattern is such that it severely interferes with one's life and health. 2) Equating substance abuse to Avian Flu and other infectious diseases is disingenuous. One is a virus, the other is a mental health disorder. Different vectors. 3) Why the specific hysterical over cannabis? What about alcohol and tobacco while kill infinitely more people every year. Pot is relatively safe (from toxicology perspective) than almost every other drug including legal ones. What evidence do you have that these usage patterns you discuss have significant negative effects on health and/or life? 4) Cannabis actually has many valid medical uses. 5) You don't address the contradiction that the enforcement of the drug laws cause more harm in many cases than the drugs themselves. ================================= Matt, Thanks for your comment. Your point #1 is essentially saying there is no discussion of differences between <a href="http://www-dave.cs.uiuc.edu/wordpress/2005/03/09/gourmet-vs-gourmand-vs-glutton/" rel="nofollow">a gourmet, a gourmand and a glutton</a>. Perhaps a bad analogy just like the one you point out in #2. No, don't have data to discuss levels of consumption. The closest is the one (again) from Office of Applied Studies, <a href="http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/subStateTABS/AgeTabs.htm" rel="nofollow">Table 3, Table 1 and Table 2</a>. As for your point #3, could not agree more, how deadly alcohol and tobacco can be. But then some people might point to beneficial health effects of (moderate) alcohol consumption. As for points #4 and #5, reasonable people might disagree on benefits of Cannabis and cost of and law enforcement action respectively. - rajendra In short, you are basically saying, if I may paraphrase: “Lots of people use pot. That means
America has a serious substance abuse problem.”
You’ve got some pretty bad holes in your argument there;

1) Recreational use substance abuse. There’s a big difference between, say, having a few beers on the weekend with friends vs chugging a bottle of vodka every morning. No discussion of drug use is valid without acknowledging that drug ABUSE comes when the usage pattern is such that it severely interferes with one’s life and health.

2) Equating substance abuse to Avian Flu and other infectious diseases is disingenuous. One is a virus, the other is a mental health disorder. Different vectors.

3) Why the specific hysterical over cannabis? What about alcohol and tobacco while kill infinitely more people every year. Pot is relatively safe (from toxicology perspective) than almost every other drug including legal ones. What evidence do you have that these usage patterns you discuss have significant negative effects on health and/or life?

4) Cannabis actually has many valid medical uses.

5) You don’t address the contradiction that the enforcement of the drug laws cause more harm in many cases than the drugs themselves.

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Matt,

Thanks for your comment. Your point #1 is essentially saying there is no discussion of differences between a gourmet, a gourmand and a glutton. Perhaps a bad analogy just like the one you point out in #2.

No, don’t have data to discuss levels of consumption. The closest is the one (again) from Office of Applied Studies, Table 3, Table 1 and Table 2.
As for your point #3, could not agree more, how deadly alcohol and tobacco can be. But then some people might point to beneficial health effects of (moderate) alcohol consumption.

As for points #4 and #5, reasonable people might disagree on benefits of Cannabis and cost of and law enforcement action respectively.

- rajendra

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