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	<title>Comments on: NeoCartography and Thematic Mapping: Is 3-D Crap?</title>
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		<title>By: Bjorn</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-393</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

There are now 4(!) blog posts about this issue on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.thematicmapping.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog.thematicmapping.org&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree to some extent that accuracy is sacrificed for eye candy, but I&#039;m not yet sure to what extent - and if the drawbacks of 3D visualisation are outnumbering the benefits. I find proportional symbol maps more troublesome than prism maps.

Sean, I would like to have a reference to the study you write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>There are now 4(!) blog posts about this issue on <a href="http://blog.thematicmapping.org/" rel="nofollow">blog.thematicmapping.org</a>.</p>
<p>I agree to some extent that accuracy is sacrificed for eye candy, but I&#8217;m not yet sure to what extent &#8211; and if the drawbacks of 3D visualisation are outnumbering the benefits. I find proportional symbol maps more troublesome than prism maps.</p>
<p>Sean, I would like to have a reference to the study you write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Gorman</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree - that is one of the big goals we have with GeoCommons (trying to help and connect those three communities).  I hope the incendiary title of the blog post did not obfuscate the message that the folks here are really impressed with the work your pushing out.  Ironically at WhereCamp Steve had to admit at the end that 3D was not shit, but the room was packed and everyone was talking about 3D ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree &#8211; that is one of the big goals we have with GeoCommons (trying to help and connect those three communities).  I hope the incendiary title of the blog post did not obfuscate the message that the folks here are really impressed with the work your pushing out.  Ironically at WhereCamp Steve had to admit at the end that 3D was not shit, but the room was packed and everyone was talking about 3D <img src='http://blog.geoiq.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Gorman</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree and that is one of the big goals with geocommons is to provide one more tool to help that goal.


Best

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree and that is one of the big goals with geocommons is to provide one more tool to help that goal.</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that a good debate is healty. I think we&#039;ll find the best solutions when GIS&#039;ers, cartographers and web geeks are working togheter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a good debate is healty. I think we&#8217;ll find the best solutions when GIS&#8217;ers, cartographers and web geeks are working togheter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Gorman</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bjorn,

Thanks for reading the blog.  I definitely agree with the heat map comment - choropleths are not heat maps and lots of people label them incorrectly.  Actually the picture you refer to was made with our API  http://blog.fortiusone.com/2006/10/11/heat-maps-for-google-maps-aka-geoiq-mashup/ although we took it off line while we rebuilt our platform.  Should be back this fall.

On the 3D thematic side I&#039;m playing a bit of an intermediary from conversations with folks smarter than myself on cartography.  My take is there are pros and cons to using 3D and 2D thematic techniques.  I think educating folks on what those are is a great service, and a good debate on it is healthy and useful for the community.  I just hope I can contribute effectively because I definitely would not label myself a cartographic expert.

Look forward to the blog post and learning more.  I&#039;ve been trying to track down the reference to the study on 3D thematics my friends referred to and will add that to the discussion if I am successful.

Lastly you are spot on with pushing the limits and being creative - everyone I talked to was in full agreement on that.

best,
sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bjorn,</p>
<p>Thanks for reading the blog.  I definitely agree with the heat map comment &#8211; choropleths are not heat maps and lots of people label them incorrectly.  Actually the picture you refer to was made with our API  <a href="http://blog.fortiusone.com/2006/10/11/heat-maps-for-google-maps-aka-geoiq-mashup/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.fortiusone.com/2006/10/11/heat-maps-for-google-maps-aka-geoiq-mashup/</a> although we took it off line while we rebuilt our platform.  Should be back this fall.</p>
<p>On the 3D thematic side I&#8217;m playing a bit of an intermediary from conversations with folks smarter than myself on cartography.  My take is there are pros and cons to using 3D and 2D thematic techniques.  I think educating folks on what those are is a great service, and a good debate on it is healthy and useful for the community.  I just hope I can contribute effectively because I definitely would not label myself a cartographic expert.</p>
<p>Look forward to the blog post and learning more.  I&#8217;ve been trying to track down the reference to the study on 3D thematics my friends referred to and will add that to the discussion if I am successful.</p>
<p>Lastly you are spot on with pushing the limits and being creative &#8211; everyone I talked to was in full agreement on that.</p>
<p>best,<br />
sean</p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn / thematicmapping.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.geoiq.com/2008/06/13/neocartography-and-thematic-mapping-is-3-d-crap/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjorn / thematicmapping.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sean,

Some interesting perspectives you present here. I enjoy reading your blog posts.

First of all, isn&#039;t it better to use the term &quot;heat map&quot; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://headwayblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/craigslist-rent-heatmap.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;maps of this type&lt;/a&gt; (a sort of density map), rather than mixing it with choropleth or shaded polygon maps?

I&#039;ve also got several of the critical arguments about 3d cartography. Some of them are reasonable, others I don&#039;t agree with. I will clearify my arguments on my blog soon - I think it&#039;s best to do it by example. For me it&#039;s not a question of one or the other, rather than giving the user both options. And I think 3d prism maps has some advantages over 2d choropleth maps.

Eye candy is important, - to give the user something nice to look at has always been important for cartographers, - but it&#039;s of course a problem that &quot;fancy maps&quot; might distract the map reader. But, what&#039;s eye candy today will be plain usual tomorrow...

I think it&#039;s important to know basic cartographic rules, but it shouldn&#039;t stop people from being creative, - powerful new visualisation tools also need new cartographic rules (or best practices) and skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sean,</p>
<p>Some interesting perspectives you present here. I enjoy reading your blog posts.</p>
<p>First of all, isn&#8217;t it better to use the term &#8220;heat map&#8221; on <a href="http://headwayblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/craigslist-rent-heatmap.jpg" rel="nofollow">maps of this type</a> (a sort of density map), rather than mixing it with choropleth or shaded polygon maps?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also got several of the critical arguments about 3d cartography. Some of them are reasonable, others I don&#8217;t agree with. I will clearify my arguments on my blog soon &#8211; I think it&#8217;s best to do it by example. For me it&#8217;s not a question of one or the other, rather than giving the user both options. And I think 3d prism maps has some advantages over 2d choropleth maps.</p>
<p>Eye candy is important, &#8211; to give the user something nice to look at has always been important for cartographers, &#8211; but it&#8217;s of course a problem that &#8220;fancy maps&#8221; might distract the map reader. But, what&#8217;s eye candy today will be plain usual tomorrow&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to know basic cartographic rules, but it shouldn&#8217;t stop people from being creative, &#8211; powerful new visualisation tools also need new cartographic rules (or best practices) and skills.</p>
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