Comments on: Data is the Public Good. Data is the Infrastructure. Data is the Stimulus http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/ News and updates from GeoIQ Sun, 20 May 2012 18:37:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: The Problem with Data Market Places | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-893 The Problem with Data Market Places | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:58:11 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-893 [...] The problem I see is the data market place concept is growing like wildfire as the go-to business model – especially for geo companies. The result is a proliferation of data silos that are increasingly proprietary and closed because that is where companies hope to extract payment. As we lock down data we are going against the grain of the Web itself. Data is a commodity and creates the greatest economic multiplier when we treat it as a public good. [...] [...] The problem I see is the data market place concept is growing like wildfire as the go-to business model – especially for geo companies. The result is a proliferation of data silos that are increasingly proprietary and closed because that is where companies hope to extract payment. As we lock down data we are going against the grain of the Web itself. Data is a commodity and creates the greatest economic multiplier when we treat it as a public good. [...]

]]> By: Are We Creating an App Junkyard? How to Inucabte and Sustain Innovation | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-892 Are We Creating an App Junkyard? How to Inucabte and Sustain Innovation | Off the Map - Official Blog of FortiusOne Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:44:37 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-892 [...] stimulus response. This is something we've discussed as a positive externality of open data as a public good, but now we could have the momentum to seize upon [...] [...] stimulus response. This is something we’ve discussed as a positive externality of open data as a public good, but now we could have the momentum to seize upon [...]

]]> By: Remixing government data « Wguru’s Blog http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-891 Remixing government data « Wguru’s Blog Tue, 05 May 2009 01:55:47 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-891 [...] Data is the Public Good.  Data is the Infrastructure.  Data is the Stimulus [...] [...] Data is the Public Good.  Data is the Infrastructure.  Data is the Stimulus [...]

]]> By: The FME Evangelist » FME Evangelist#26: Dude, Where’s My Parcel? http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-890 The FME Evangelist » FME Evangelist#26: Dude, Where’s My Parcel? Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:09:53 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-890 [...] a time when debate (after debate, after debate) takes place on geospatial infrastructures being pitched to various [...] [...] a time when debate (after debate, after debate) takes place on geospatial infrastructures being pitched to various [...]

]]> By: Edward Vielmetti http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-889 Edward Vielmetti Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:46:50 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-889 One perspective on this that I haven't seen yet is the usefulness of having simple access to raw data in times of emergency, rather than having the data delivered through some clever, special, fancy, and slow system. There was an Australian fire maps site that had an on-site viewer for maps; it was crushed in the demand for this information in the recent Melbourne fires. http://sentinel.ga.gov.au/acres/sentinel/index.shtml "Please note - due to unprecedented demand on this website,Geoscience Australia has had to temporarily remove access to the interactive application." Now it turns out that this is MODIS data and a bunch of other sites around the world have the same dataset in a variety of formats, some unencumbered by the burden of also hosting an interactive application. One perspective on this that I haven’t seen yet is the usefulness of having simple access to raw data in times of emergency, rather than having the data delivered through some clever, special, fancy, and slow system.

There was an Australian fire maps site that had an on-site viewer for maps; it was crushed in the demand for this information in the recent Melbourne fires.

http://sentinel.ga.gov.au/acres/sentinel/index.shtml

“Please note – due to unprecedented demand on this website,Geoscience Australia has had to temporarily remove access to the interactive application.”

Now it turns out that this is MODIS data and a bunch of other sites around the world have the same dataset in a variety of formats, some unencumbered by the burden of also hosting an interactive application.

]]> By: A lire ailleurs du 1er au 6 février 2009 | traffic-internet.net http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-888 A lire ailleurs du 1er au 6 février 2009 | traffic-internet.net Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:11:29 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-888 [...] . Off the Map : Les données sont un bien public (angl.) Sean Gorman, spécialiste des technologies géospatiales, vient de publier un billet plutôt stimulant intitulé : “les données sont un bien public. Les données sont l’infrastructure. Les données sont le stimuli”. Il y explique que l’important pour une administration est de rendre les données accessibles et transparentes au public et que c’est au secteur privé de construire l’infrastructure pour les rendre accessibles. [...] [...] . Off the Map : Les données sont un bien public (angl.) Sean Gorman, spécialiste des technologies géospatiales, vient de publier un billet plutôt stimulant intitulé : “les données sont un bien public. Les données sont l’infrastructure. Les données sont le stimuli”. Il y explique que l’important pour une administration est de rendre les données accessibles et transparentes au public et que c’est au secteur privé de construire l’infrastructure pour les rendre accessibles. [...]

]]> By: Data is the Public Good | Chris Hanrath http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-887 Data is the Public Good | Chris Hanrath Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:30:24 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-887 [...] http://blog.fortiusone.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the... [...] [...] http://blog.fortiusone.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the... [...]

]]> By: Brett http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-886 Brett Thu, 05 Feb 2009 01:28:58 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-886 again, I'm seeing so much Neo-geographer speak here. I am one myself, big into everything fortiusone and the geoweb is doing, I've attended every Where2.0 conference. But where ESRI makes its money, where the 100s of billions of dollars in GIS are spent every year is not here (yet!). The market, the demand for this is in the people using traditional GIS still: the Land surveyors. The counties who track cadestral data. Do you design and implement a freeway system in Google Earth? Do you use OSM? NO. You use Leica TS System 1200 and Arc. You NEED to get access to county records. Do you know, it costs about $10,000 right now to have a piece of property divided into two parcels for sale. Most of that cost is having a certified survey company survey the land, enter that data into 10 different city, county, regional and state databases and draw up a legal document. Same with planning a road, bridge, housing or commercial development. These are HUGE $$ industries and a National GIS would be a boon for them. Just my $0.02, (from the other side of the fence, or rather straddling it). again, I’m seeing so much Neo-geographer speak here. I am one myself, big into everything fortiusone and the geoweb is doing, I’ve attended every Where2.0 conference. But where ESRI makes its money, where the 100s of billions of dollars in GIS are spent every year is not here (yet!).

The market, the demand for this is in the people using traditional GIS still: the Land surveyors. The counties who track cadestral data. Do you design and implement a freeway system in Google Earth? Do you use OSM? NO. You use Leica TS System 1200 and Arc. You NEED to get access to county records.

Do you know, it costs about $10,000 right now to have a piece of property divided into two parcels for sale. Most of that cost is having a certified survey company survey the land, enter that data into 10 different city, county, regional and state databases and draw up a legal document. Same with planning a road, bridge, housing or commercial development. These are HUGE $$ industries and a National GIS would be a boon for them.

Just my $0.02, (from the other side of the fence, or rather straddling it).

]]> By: Dave Smith http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-885 Dave Smith Tue, 03 Feb 2009 04:20:38 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-885 Miles, you may want to look at the "other" NSDI proposal (as apart from the ESRI/BAH and Autodesk/MSFT/Oracle/Google ones) posted to www.nsdi2.net, which DOES acknowledge that the data originates at the local level, and which essentially proposes exactly what you are suggesting, dovetailing into efforts such as the EPA's CDX effort, which ties together states, tribes, and other stakeholders, or efforts like Imagery For The Nation, which provides statewide frameworks wherein counties can collaborate and leverage their investments, to provide economies of scale and buy-ups toward better-quality data and better coverage. Miles, you may want to look at the “other” NSDI proposal (as apart from the ESRI/BAH and Autodesk/MSFT/Oracle/Google ones) posted to http://www.nsdi2.net, which DOES acknowledge that the data originates at the local level, and which essentially proposes exactly what you are suggesting, dovetailing into efforts such as the EPA’s CDX effort, which ties together states, tribes, and other stakeholders, or efforts like Imagery For The Nation, which provides statewide frameworks wherein counties can collaborate and leverage their investments, to provide economies of scale and buy-ups toward better-quality data and better coverage.

]]> By: JackLantern http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/28/data-is-the-public-good-data-is-the-infrastructure-data-is-the-stimulus/#comment-884 JackLantern Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:53:51 +0000 http://blog.fortiusone.com/?p=888#comment-884 This guy is selling his ebook for $2,000 and he already sold five. Damn clever! Oh and, cool blog you have sir. Jack This guy is selling his ebook for $2,000 and he already sold five. Damn clever! Oh and, cool blog you have sir. Jack

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